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  • What Is His Name, And The Name Of His Son?

    The whole story of Israel pivots on this declaration of Yahweh…

    Exodus 4:22-23 * Then say to Pharaoh, `This is what Yahweh says: Israel is my firstborn son…” and I told you, "Let my son go, so he may worship me…"

    Christianity ignores Yahweh’s Word for obvious reasons. The Jews that are of the messianic (i.e. Christian) persuasion follow the Christian routine and don’t know this key truth in the Scriptures because of the Christian “theology.” HaTorah makes it very plain that Yahweh’s confirmed firstborn son is Israel. The Christians came up and swapped babies. They even made Christ the only son, while Yahweh is saying that Israel is only the firstborn. Christianity believes in “progressive revelation” to explain why the NT is different from the OT. For instance…

    John 3:16 (NIV) "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
    17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

    That may be true of the Goy “God” (i.e. G-d) but not of YHWH. Yahweh has Israel for a firstborn son. Nowhere in the Tanakh do we have stated that Yahweh would reject Israel in favor of another “one and only” or “only begotten” son. I believe that Yahweh has Israel as a “firstborn” because maybe someday he may choose a “second-born” son and so on, but this is only implied, not explicitly stated. The NT writers were not too good at the Tanakh. They messed up many quotes to favor the Christian faith. Actually the Christians use the OT the same way a dipsomaniac uses a light pole for support and not for illumination. Saint John claims that Jesus came into the world (not to Israel) and that there is a need to believe in him. Nowhere do we have in the Tanakh written a need to believe or even trust a man for salvation. Actually, it says all the opposite, one is cursed of Yahweh if he/she dares to trust any man or son of man for salvation. By salvation I mean a never dying life full of health and well being as it can be ascertained by reading the Tanakh. There is also a resurrection involved so that nobody would be left behind. Job made several statements in reference to it. He knew that his redeemer is a living one! Not one “savior” that was killed, and that he blamed the Jews for it and that he resurrected, but who knows where is he now! In short, Job never believed in Jesus Christ!

    Job 19:25 * I know that my Redeemer lives, and that in the end he will stand upon the earth.
    26 And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see Elohim;
    27 I myself will see him with my own eyes--I, and not another. How my heart yearns within me!

    Isaiah 54:5 * For your Maker is your husband—Yahweh Almighty is his name-- the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; he is called the Elohim of all the earth.

    Psalm 19:14 * May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, O Yahweh, my Rock and my Redeemer.

    Paul in the NT is trying to say that Christ is the “rock” of Israel and not Yahweh. It is a matter of believing the NT or the Tanak. This is what Paul says about the “Rock”…

    1 Corinthians 10:3-4 (NIV) They all (i.e. Israel) ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

    Paul makes an assertive statement and all Christendom believes him. I think that if any of us wants to be objective on whom to believe, the evident is in front of us. We don’t need a lawyer to figure it out. Christianity is trying to fit a square block into a round hole.

    After seeing the documentation that we have available in HaTorah that Israel is Yahweh’s firstborn son we can know the answer to the question in Proverbs 30:4.

    Proverbs 30:4 * Who has gone up to heaven and come down?
    Who has gathered up the wind in the hollow of his hands?
    Who has wrapped up the waters in his cloak?
    Who has established all the ends of the earth?
    What is his name, and the name of his son?
    Tell me if you know!

    The son is not the one who did any of the above. YHWH (i.e. Yahweh, if the transliteration is right) is the One. The name of his son is Israel. It couldn’t be Jesus because when the question was asked he wasn’t born yet. If the name of Yahweh’s son were Jesus then we are in real trouble because nobody knows the real Hebrew name of the historical person whom Paul named in the Greek language “Jesus Christ.” At the time the question was asked Hebrew was the lingua franca. So if the name of HaMaschiach were that important I am sure we would have gotten a better chance at it in the Scriptures all the way back from the days of Moshe. Yahweh won’t leave us in the dark. By the way, there were many messiahs (i.e. “christs” or “anointed ones”) all along Israel’s history.

    1 Samuel 16:6 * When they arrived, Samuel saw Eliab and thought, "Surely Yahweh's messiah (i.e. christ) stands here before Yahweh."

    1 Samuel 24:6 * He said to his men, "Yahweh forbid that I should do such a thing to my master, Yahweh’s messiah
    (i.e. christ), or lift my hand against him; for he is the messiah (i.e. christ) of Yahweh."

    Psalms 105:15 * "Do not touch my messiahs
    (i.e. “christs”); do my prophets no harm."

    Isaiah 45:1 * "This is what Yahweh says to his messiah
    (i.e. christ), to Cyrus (NOTE: Cyrus was christ, too, an anointed one of Yahweh), whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut:

    Habakuk 3:13 * You came out to deliver your people, to save your messiah
    (i.e. christ, he needed salvation, he was probably a king, too)…

    Zechariah 4:14 * So he said, "These are the two who are messiah (i.e. christ) to serve Yahweh of all the earth."

    Messiah, christ, anointed one, mean the same thing. The Christians have manipulated the transliteration of the Hebrew word “messiah” to make it mean something special for one person whom they call “Christ” and not for the rest. That is why the early church fathers changed “christ” into a name in the Greek NT.

    In the final analysis I can clearly see that Israel is the only son named by Almighty Yahweh.

    Exodus 4:22-23 * Then say to Pharaoh, `This is what Yahweh says: Israel is my firstborn son…” and I told you, "Let my son go, so he may worship me…"

    Proverbs 30:4 * Who has gone up to heaven and come down?
    Who has gathered up the wind in the hollow of his hands?
    Who has wrapped up the waters in his cloak?
    Who has established all the ends of the earth?
    What is his name, and the name of his son?
    Tell me if you know!

    Psalms 2:1 * Why do the nations conspire and the peoples plot in vain?
    2 The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against Yahweh and against his Anointed One
    (i.e. in this case the King of Israel --It couldn't possibly be Jesus Christ, because Pontius wanted to let him go. He didn't find any fault with him worth his death. No kings got together to kill Jesus. In fact the world at large is with Christ. A lot of political parties are named after him, and so on. The evidence is against a rejected Christ, but for him).
    3 "Let us break their chains
    (NOTE: Hitler accused the Jews of controlling the world’s economy. Jesus Christ is not at all implied in here. So this verse can only be applied to the Jews)," they say, "and throw off their fetters."
    4 The One enthroned in heaven laughs; Adonai scoffs at them.
    5 Then he rebukes them in his anger and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,
    6 "I have installed my King (still future?) on Zion, my holy hill."
    7 I will proclaim the decree of Yahweh: He said to me, "You are my Son
    (i.e. Israel); today I have become your Father (NOTE: it is obvious that yesterday Israel was not Yahweh’s chosen son. Israel existed before Yahweh confirmed him as his firstborn son. According to Christian "theology" this statement couldn't be applicable to Jesus Christ. Christians say that Jesus Christ was not created, but that he is the ever existing member #2 of the "holey trinity").
    8 Ask of me, and I will make the nations your inheritance
    (If Jesus Christ owns everything why is it that he has to ask for anything. The "king of kings"and "creator of all things" bit is only in the Christian NT), the ends of the earth your possession.
    9 You will rule them with an iron scepter; you will dash them to pieces like pottery."
    10 Therefore, you kings, be wise; be warned, you rulers of the earth.
    11 Serve Yahweh with fear and rejoice with trembling.
    12 Kiss the Son
    (i.e. Kiss and make up with Yahweh’s son, Israel, including the Jews, that Christianity was trying to destroy all along. Judging by the NT record, this bid goes for Jesus Christ, too. He damned all Jews to Hell for his pleasure), lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment. Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

    I wish to discuss the passages that I'm quoting here...
    "...and the truth will set you free."--Jesus Christ

  • #2

    ....If we set the verses in order, you can make out the name of GD as mishpachah {Family} Yahudee. It after all is JEWish!
    20 I have found (*David my servant*); with my holy oil have I anointed him:

    21 With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him.

    22 The enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him.

    23 And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him.

    24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted.

    25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers.

    26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.

    27 Also I will make him (*my firstborn*), higher than the kings of the earth.

    28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.

    29 (His seed also will I make to endure for ever), and his throne as the days of heaven.

    30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;

    31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;

    32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.

    33 Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail.

    34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.

    35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.

    36 (*His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.

    37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.*)

    - a possible reference to the corupt forth day, though I can't say for sure.

    12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.

    13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

    14 (*I will be his father, and he shall be my son*). If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

    15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.

    16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.

    15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.

    16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness.

    17 For thus saith the LORD; (*David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel*);

    18 (*Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually*). --> King and Priest {like Melchezidek}

    19 And the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah, saying,

    20 Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;

    21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.

    22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.

    Ezekiel 37
    19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them (*one stick*), and they shall be one in mine hand.

    20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

    21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

    22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, (*neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all*):

    23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

    24 (*And David my servant shall be king over them*); and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

    25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: (*and my servant David shall be their prince for ever*).

    26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

    27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

    28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

    67 Moreover he (*refused the tabernacle of Joseph*), and (*chose not the tribe of Ephraim*):

    68 (*But chose the tribe of Judah*), the mount Zion which he loved.

    69 And he built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever.

    4 Howbeit the LORD God of Israel chose me before (*all the house of my father to be king over Israel for ever*): for he hath chosen Judah to be the ruler; and of the house of Judah, the house of my father; and among the sons of my father he liked me to make me king over all Israel:

    5 And of all my sons, (for the LORD hath given me many sons,) he hath chosen Solomon my son to sit upon the throne of the kingdom of the LORD over Israel.

    6 And he said unto me, Solomon thy son, he shall build my house and my courts: for (*I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his father*).

    7 Moreover (*I will establish his kingdom for ever*), if he be constant to do my commandments and my judgments, as at this day.

    Judah is king over Israel, David is king over Judah The firstborn reigns over Israel. There is only one tribe now and David is King over it. David is Yahudah, (IKing 11:36) Yahudah is Israel, YHWH is Yahudah and YHWH is KING;

    6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that (*the light shall not be clear, nor dark*):

    7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, (*not day, nor night*): but it shall come to pass, that (*at evening time it shall be light*).

    --> the light of the first day of creation meets this requirement. The forth day of creation loses it's place and the world learn the true name of YHWH. --> the forth letter has been removed from the sacred name. You didn't think that the author would write it in its entirety, did you?

    8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: (*in summer and in winter*) shall it be.

    --> without the fourth day, we have a problem with the seasons.

    9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.


    The forever King meets the forever KING --> Yahudah becomes YHWH, a new name for YHWH's people. ONE NAME!

    ......So, who is the firstborn son?



    • #3
      Hi Thummim
      You wrote:
      John 3:16 (NIV) "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
      17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
      Jesus Christ is nothing more than Christian replacement theology. Just apply the above statement to the true SON (Israel).


      • #4
        I haven't turned christian!

        Sandy, I didn't write, "GD so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son ---" This is not my faith. Stranger used this in showing that the NT did not express the faith of the tanakh. I wrote those things that show the relationship between the tribe of Yahudah, the throne of David, and the title, "Firstborn". As usual for me, I wanted to show the connection between the sacred name and the JEWish people. David is firstborn as is Solomon, making the throne of David (Yahudah) the place where the firstborn sit's to reign over Israel. I think that this is like saying, "The throne of Israel is the throne of David", all being firstborn to YHWH. How out of place it would be for me to lend my faith to such a statement from the NT. Did you really write this post to me, or is someone using your name? I didn't quote a single verse from the NT.


        • #5
          JOHN 3:16 has no Israel in mind!

          Shalom Sandy,

          I get the impression that you are trying to accommodate Israel in the thoughts of the NT writers and that is not possible. They wrote only about Jesus Christ. Israel was not in the mind of the JOHN 3:16 writer, at least in a good spotlight. John 3:16 is a sequel to John 1:11,

          John 1:11 (KJV) He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

          Then they tell you that the Almighty loved the world, not Israel, and that Jesus Christ was really sent to the world not to Israel. Jesus Christ damned the Jews to an everlasting Hell. He didn't come to save them or to give them words of consolation.

          Sandy, Saint John is not saying that, "For the Almighty did not send his son to damn the Jews, but to save them." It seems that after all, the primary objective of Elohim is to use Jesus Christ to damn the Jews and to save the world. If you read Saint John's "gospel" carefully you will detect that the statement about the rejection of Jesus Christ by the Jews is categorical and terminal. Saint John burns all the bridges behind him right from the beginning of his "gospel." Closing the door shut to any hope of "acceptance." He is saying that Christianity is not for the Jews, and we know it.

          Saint John's statements are a total departure from all the promises made to Israel in Yahweh's word. Yahweh's priority is in the salvation of Israel, then comes the Goyim, Christians, and all the families of the Earth. Paul twisted it around he is giving the priority to the Gentiles, "THEN all Israel will be saved." Another twist is the NT teaching that the first shall be last. Nowhere in the Tanakh is it written that a priority will shift to favor the Christians, Goyim, or whoever.

          John 3:16 (NIV) "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
          17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

          Although, Jesus Christ is reported to have been extremely popular and well received among the Jews, not at all rejected. Crowds would follow him everywhere. That was the moment to act. The Jews even wanted to make him king by force. Jesus Christ set up his own death trap and blamed the Jews for it. The Jews were made responsible for his death. The Jews are still paying for it.
          "...and the truth will set you free."--Jesus Christ


          • #6
            Yes, Stranger, I see what you mean.