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    Hi Everyone,

    Below is a copy of a post that was lost from the EliYah Discussion Forum. Originally, it contained a message in a message. Perhaps, Old Shepherd someday will come and restore the message for us?

    Sincerely, Spying


    Edward

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    posted 12-18-2000 06:43 AM
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    Psalms 37:25 I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.
    Zechariah 11:16 For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces.

    Genesis 33:12 And he said, Let us take our journey, and let us go, and I will go before thee.

    John 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

    Acts 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

    http://www.korealink.com/public/chri...ages/408.shtml

    Zaqunra’ahyahuw

    [This message has been edited by Edward (edited 12-18-2000).]


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    The Last Hoo-Ahh!

    Shalom Spying and ImaHebrew,
    Thank you for inviting me to your new forum. the message within a message you referred to was, as I told my friend and Brother in the faith, The Seventh Angel (TSA), my "Last Hoo-Ahh" at Eliyah's forum. I had been banned for telling one person, to come back when he grew up after he repeatedly insulted me with comments like "Old Sheepy blowing hot air."
    The management deleted a post by TSA, who merely responded to a question about where I was currently posting since I had been banned. Those type posts are not acceptable at that forum. Although the same old lies about Constantine, the Nicean Council, Jesus/Zeus, pagan Christmas, etc. which have been repeatedly exposed and refuted are not only accepted but are praised and encouraged.
    Here is the message I left at my last "Hoo-Ahh".
    Psalms 37:25 I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.
    Zechariah 11:16 For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces.
    Genesis 33:12 And he said, Let us take our journey, and let us go, and I will go before thee.
    John 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
    Acts 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

    http://www.korealink.com/public/chri...ages/408.shtml

    The link is the forum where I am now posting as "Old Shepherd." I had also been posting at Qumran Bet Holeyboard but management there, not having any way to ban anyone, just started deleting all my posts.
    P.S. "Hoo-Ahh" is a semi shout of exultation, very popular in the Army. It denotes victory, success, triumph over seemingly insurmountable odds, etc. Al Pacino, playing the part of a blind retired Army colonel, used this expression in the movie "Scent of a Woman", when the co-star was exonerated from trumped up charges. I view my exit from that forum as a triumph. The only way they could counter my arguments was to ban me.

    Zaqunra'ahyahuw

    [Edited by OldShepherd on 01-02-2001 at 09:16 PM]
    Nullus Frigidus Auxilium Gratia
    Zaqunra'ahyahuw

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    Shalom OldShepherd,

    Good to see you here. One of the main reasons for us starting this forum is because we do not like to see posts deleted, and members banned. As long as someone is trying to honestly express their views (which you and TSA did quite well), your voice should be allowed to be heard. Even if it goes against some of our beliefs. Whether or not some of our beliefs are false or true, it really doesn't matter if someone is teaching against them. Because they really can't hurt us if what we say is right, and if what we say is wrong, then we have gained a friend for correcting us.

    It is our desire to allow men and women to express their beliefs here without fear of bannishment. And it is also our desire that many of us learn together as we come to a better knowledge of the truth. OldShepherd, you are a valued and welcomed addition to our effort.
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
    Abstain from meats offered to idols (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    Hi Old Shepherd,

    Welcome to the Lo Ammi Forum and thank you for restoring your final "Hoo-Ahh". It was an impressive post. Last words and feelings are important to me. That is why I copied your post. I also knew that it wasn't long for the EliYah world. I am glad that you came and restored it on this thread. Your story is right on, Old Shepherd. You are a man of principle and character, and your banishment was a sign of your triumph and success. "Hoo-YAH" to you, my friend.

    Messiah said that we would be banished. It has happened to me, and it is a great hurt. Sometimes there is a bond that is born of adversity commonly held and shared. Such a bond is strong and not easily broken. Maybe in time others will come to this thread and relate how they have shared our bond.

    Thank you again for restoring your post. Everyone can see that it was a neat post, and there is no reason that it should have been deleted just like there was no reason that you should have been banned. There is nothing hidden that will not be brought to light.

    I am looking forward for the light that Messiah is shining on us through you: Hoo-YAH

    Sincerely, Spying

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    Wow! This is great. I am happy and honored to have been invited to join this forum.

    I was also banned from Eliyah's because I expressed my views concerning the New Testament and the Christian religion.

    Seeing old acquaintances (whom I have missed) from Eliyah's is like a homecoming. Thank you.

    (Torah)
    Sandy

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    Hello again Friends
    Thank you Spying for inviting me to this forum. I also was banned from Eliyah's forum after only having been there for a few days. Apparently they didn't like what i had to say. I have been keeping conversation with Spying on a fairly regular basis. So now i look forward to doing so on here so others can comment as well. So thanks again and to anyone whom i offended on Eliyah's sorry but i was expressing an opinion.


    Bratu
    For it is He before Whom the Sky Shakes- Set

    Marspital

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    Hi Sandy,

    Welcome to the Lo Ammi Forum. Thank you for coming to this thread to let others know that you also were banned. At the time you were banned, I know that it was devastating for you. It is a terrible feeling when communication is cut off, and there is no redress or recourse. We are totally helpless in that position. If no one stands up for us, we are as good as dead.

    I want to apologize to you for not publicly standing up for you at the time that you were banned. Like I expressed to you at the time, I privately communicated to EliYah my disagreement, but I could and should have done more. EliYah was deleting posts at fast as they were posted in support of you and Moses and Shlameal if I remember correctly. EliYah never ever deleted any of my posts that I am aware of so maybe I could have voiced public support, and he would have left it stand, I don't know. The point is: I was not willing to take that chance, and I should have, and for that I am sorry. Please, forgive me.

    People and circumstances do change. Like I said to you at that time: "Keep your chin up and be encouraged." It is funny how things work out. We have opportunity to hear from each other again on a new forum. Thanks for your presence.

    Sincerely, Spying

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    Hello Spying
    Thank you for such a warm welcome.
    You have nothing to be sorry about concerning Eliyah's forum. You did all that you could, which I appreciated very much. Even though it didn't seem right, it was Eliyah's perogative to do as he wished with his forum.
    Sandy

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    Hi Bratu,

    Welcome to the Lo Ammi Forum. The storms of silence are no more.

    I want everyone to know the special courage it took for you to come to this forum after the manner you were treated in your previous encounter with us. We were not very hospitable, eventhough YAH is hospitable. We fully expect to do better by you this time around. We thank you for the opportunity.

    Others do not know that I asked you, in coming here, to be willing to open up and continue on this forum our private conversation. It is not easy to open up and expose core beliefs to those who may very well turn and be hostile to you. It is not easy even if one should be blessed to have a friendly environment. Know that the Tzaddikim will work to keep your environment friendly. Thus far, all on this thread have shared the same adversity. Now, let us share our blessing.

    I have a faith that we are going to be blessed through your participation, Bratu. Again, welcome to this forum.

    Sincerely, Spying

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    Hello again Spying
    I am curious how you want to put our conversation on here. I have all the letters of correspondence yours and mine between us so i can reprint those on a new thread or do you have another idea. I am totatlly open to suggestions so let me know how it is that you want to do it and it shall be done.
    Now i am open for to see the eye of the storm.

    Bratu
    For it is He before Whom the Sky Shakes- Set

    Marspital

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